Re: TSC Meeting Agenda - February 16 2022

Lukas Bulwahn

On Thu, Feb 10, 2022 at 4:29 AM Smith, Jason via
<> wrote:

My goals are quick wins. There are safety applications using Linux that either don’t need safety certification or whose standards allow Linux to be treated as-is, i.e. software of unknown pedigree. Just small improvements to Linux or relatively small additional pieces of information provided with Linux could offer a lot of value to these developers, allowing them to build safer products. Examples: code improvements, new modules that add or support software safety measures, white papers, manuals, design guides, fault analyses, reports (verification, validation, review, etc.), release notes including known issues, etc. In a way, this is perhaps a scaled-down version of Elana’s (3).
Jason, could you elaborate on your expectation of the small additional
pieces of information you see needed as quick wins?

Can you put those pieces into a prioritized list?

Then, we could start at the top of that list and present an example of
such pieces of information and discuss them with you to determine the
potential effort of providing such information regularly (e.g., for
every version) and completely (not just as some incomplete example for
the purpose of having a discussion).

I would like to contribute to creating that you see as quick wins. For
me, there is nothing to lose here.


That being said… I don’t know if this is exactly what the community needs.

I think (if we haven’t done so already) we should go out far and wide across not only ELISA but Linux developers in general to find out what they really need.

Are there enough developers of safety applications using Linux that are okay with treating Linux as-is, making it worthwhile to pursue my stated goal?

Or are most folks trying to develop systems for self-driving cars using Linux and ultimately need compliance with ISO 26262?

If the latter is true, start with Elana’s (1). It’s going to be a lot of work.


From: devel@... <devel@...> On Behalf Of elana.copperman via
Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2022 9:37 AM
To: Shuah Khan <skhan@...>; devel@...
Subject: Re: [ELISA Technical Community] TSC Meeting Agenda - February 16 2022

Thanks, Shuah. Some goals/ideas from my side:

To establish a framework for communication and collaboration between Linux kernel developers/maintainers, safety experts and designers/developers of Linux based safety critical systems. Without broader representation and communication, the work products of ELISA cannot have a context for deployment and acceptance.
ELISA is a project of the Linux Foundation. To leverage this umbrella, learn from its strong points, and help to improve the weaker points towards the long-term goal of integrating Linux successfully in safety critical systems.
Work products (actual kernel patches) which will support the original ELISA mission statement: to define and maintain a common set of elements, processes and tools that can be incorporated into Linux-based, safety-critical systems amenable to safety certification.




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Sent: Wednesday, February 9, 2022 5:20 PM
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Subject: [ELISA Technical Community] TSC Meeting Agenda - February 16 2022

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Let's meet next week to discuss alignment on goals and what success
looks like. Please respond to this thread to add you 1 or 2 items
you consider important to achieve ELISA goals and make the project

I will compile the items and share the consolidated list before the

-- Shuah

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