ELISA TSC Meeting - Wed, 08/26/2020
Shuah Khan
Hi All,
Agenda for our ELISA TSC meeting tomorrow: - Review Past Pending Action Items (Min) - Technical charter update to clarify TSC Chair as elected role and terms (pending LF legal review) - Ambassador Program (review 1st round applicants next Wed) - Mentorship Projects proposals (received 6 proposals, open for comment, review and select 3 next Wed) - 90-minute mini-Summit at OSSEU (Lukas to organize/provide session title and description by August 31) - Newcomers? - Workshop #5 (focus item for this meeting) Other items for agenda? thanks, -- Shuah
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Agenda for ELISA TSC Meeting - Wednesday, August 26, 2020
Min Yu
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REMINDER: Contribute to ELISA by Becoming an Ambassador >> Complete Interest Form before Tuesday September 1st
Min Yu
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ELISA TSC Meeting - Wed, 08/26/2020 3:00pm-4:00pm
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devel@lists.elisa.tech Calendar <devel@...>
Reminder: ELISA TSC Meeting When: Wednesday, 26 August 2020, 3:00pm to 4:00pm, (GMT+02:00) Europe/Amsterdam Where:https://zoom.us/j/97906302711 Organizer: ELISA Project Description:
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Re: Student project - Code coverage for GLibC
Min Yu
On Mon, Aug 24, 2020 3:13 PM, Nicholas Mc Guire der.herr@... wrote:
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Re: Student project - Code coverage for GLibC
Nicholas Mc Guire
On Sat, Aug 22, 2020 at 03:55:56PM -0700, eli.gurvitz@intel.com wrote:
Hi,At the risk of irritating (again) ISO 26262 for complex software is the wrong standard so it makes no sense to argue structural code-coverage with that standard however as in this case IEC 61508-3 Ed 2 Table B.2 (7a-7d) respectively IEC 61508-7 Ed 2 C.5.8 Structure-based testing address the same techniques (and provide adquate explanations) the tool we have actually completed as prototype covers at least part of what you want to do for glibc. basically we have an instrumentation of glibc based on a gcc plugin (SSA phase) that will dump the actually visited funcitons during execution of glibc. It works - not very beautiful implementation though - documentation is relatively complete but of course could be improved. Currently we simply dump the callinfos to stderr which is of course not usable but with respect to instrumentation it is up and running. Runs on glibc-2.28 and 2.31 (git HEAD) and has undergone some initial verification (basically by comparing the execution paths with gdb session infos) Execution overhead close to 0, though we do not do any stack unwinding so the reported addresses are somewhat off (instruction address of first instruction of the handler on entry not considering the strack unwinding) - the names are correct though as we get those from the gimplified code during build not from runtime resolution. Main conclusion from the tests we have done - glibc is highly deterministic - there is no inherent variability of execution paths for given calls (though I only tested 40 different glibc calls randomly selected from the overall API). If that sounds like a reasonable basis to get started I'm happy to help who ever signs up for this fun, to get her up to speed - dumping gcc internals on a student for a summer job from scratch might be a bit cruel.... thx! hofrat
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Re: Kernel Development Process WG - Weekly Agenda, 27.8.2020
elana.copperman@...
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Re: Student project - Code coverage for GLibC
Gurvitz, Eli (Mobileye)
Hi,
I would like to submit an idea for a student project - find a way to support code coverage for GLibC. The Google doc is at: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1DBQv9-XOv8oxWuvs7JpsWjE1Hd9h7M5LMMH4cXTm67c/edit# and also attached here. Thanks, Eli Gurvitz
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Re: Minutes: ELISA Automotive WG on 14/Aug
Jochen Kall
Hi all,
just a reminder/slight update of the agenda for todays WG call: 1. Tell Tale Safety document review (Jochen) https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdrive.google.com%2Ffile%2Fd%2F1GQ9FwFEJz9hLjhK_xTEi2DVBmgU2DBnX%2Fview%3Fusp%3Dsharing&data=02%7C01%7Cyasushi.ando%40toyota-europe.com%7C0a824722156a43df59fe08d83acfd0d6%7C52b742d13dc247acbf03609c83d9df9f%7C0%7C0%7C637324011523101601&sdata=oki0qhTBHM4Gxp9%2BLKN1GyZPa8mgpRPkZF9Km7vKYBM%3D&reserved=0 2. Further clarification on Telltale HW/SW architecture (Haraki san, Yamaguchi san, if any updates) Display Controller part, Other functionalities (Battery checker, Ignition checker) "Gap" in the critical path in the Image pipeline between the CRC checkpoint and the display IC 3. ADAS use case (Gab, if any updates) 4. WG Mission Statement See you later, Jochen Von: automotive@lists.elisa.tech <automotive@lists.elisa.tech> Im Auftrag von Yasushi Ando (TME) Gesendet: Freitag, 14. August 2020 15:35 An: automotive@lists.elisa.tech Cc: devel@lists.elisa.tech Betreff: [ELISA Automotive WG] Minutes: ELISA Automotive WG on 14/Aug Hi all, Here you can find the meeting minutes and AGL presentation from today’s Automotive WG meeting. Thanks you Walt for taking the minutes. https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1FCEzywCMfk3wY6lxBoMYjfQ_DQ44S5YS Agenda for next meeting on 21/Aug: 1. Tell Tale Safety document review (Jochen) https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdrive.google.com%2Ffile%2Fd%2F1GQ9FwFEJz9hLjhK_xTEi2DVBmgU2DBnX%2Fview%3Fusp%3Dsharing&data=02%7C01%7Cyasushi.ando%40toyota-europe.com%7C0a824722156a43df59fe08d83acfd0d6%7C52b742d13dc247acbf03609c83d9df9f%7C0%7C0%7C637324011523101601&sdata=oki0qhTBHM4Gxp9%2BLKN1GyZPa8mgpRPkZF9Km7vKYBM%3D&reserved=0 Please have a look on this, feel free to add your comments☺ 2. Further clarification on Telltale HW/SW architecture (Haraki san, Yamaguchi san, if any updates) Display Controller part, Other functionalities (Battery checker, Ignition checker) 3. ADAS use case (Gab, if any updates) Best regards, Yasushi Ando ------------------------------------------------------ AUTOSAR / EE PF / HILS group Electronics Engineering 11 Research and Development TOYOTA MOTOR EUROPE NV/SA Hoge Wei 33, 1930 Zaventem, Belgium T:+32 2 895 4944 M:+32 470 852 279 e-mail: mailto:Yasushi.Ando@toyota-europe.com This e-mail may contain confidential information. If you are not an addressee or otherwise authorised to receive this message, you should not use, copy, disclose or take any action based on this e-mail. If you have received this e-mail in error, please inform the sender promptly and delete this message and any attachments immediately. -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen Jochen Kall -- Dr. rer. nat. Jochen Kall Funktionale Sicherheit ITK Engineering GmbH Im Speyerer Tal 6 76761 Rülzheim Tel.: +49 7272 7703-546 Fax: +49 7272 7703-100 Mobil:+491734957776 mailto:jochen.kall@itk-engineering.de ( jochen.kall@itk-engineering.de ) ______________________________________________________________ ITK Engineering GmbH | Im Speyerer Tal 6 | 76761 Rülzheim Tel.: +49 7272 7703-0 | Fax: +49 7272 7703-100 mailto:info@itk-engineering.de ( info@itk-engineering.de ) | http://www.itk-engineering.de ( http://www.itk-engineering.de/ ) Vorsitzender des Aufsichtsrats/Chairman of the Supervisory Board: Dr. Rudolf Maier Geschäftsführung/Executive Board: Michael Englert (Vorsitzender/Chairman), Bernd Gohlicke Sitz der Gesellschaft/Registered Office: 76761 Rülzheim Registergericht/Registered Court: Amtsgericht Landau, HRB 32046 USt.-ID-Nr./VAT-ID-No. DE 813165046
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Re: Kernel Development Process WG - Weekly Agenda, 20.8.2020
elana.copperman@...
Sorry for spam, this mail was sent to wrong mailing list. Please ignore. Thanks Elana
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On Behalf Of Elana Copperman
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Re: Kernel Development Process WG - Weekly Agenda, 20.8.2020
elana.copperman@...
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On Behalf Of Elana Copperman
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2020 11:08 PM To: devel@... Subject: [ELISA Technical Community] Kernel Development Process WG - Weekly Agenda, 20.8.2020
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Re: ISO26262 Development Process visualization
杉浦 正直
Hi Everyone,
Thank you for comments. Did I missed something or is it intended that you skipped the test of software (6-9,6-10 and 6-11) in your diagrams andOur focus is the design process. So the test process is omitted. Would you like to include the whole process(design and test process)? Thanks, Masanao -- *---------*---------*---------*---------*---------*---------* WITZ Corporation Functional Safety Development Dept Functional Safety Promotion Selection Masanao Sugiura Tel: +81-52-220-1218, Fax: +81-52-218-5855 Nagoya Park Place 13-1, Sakae 2 Choume, Naka-ku, Naogya 460-0008 Japan *---------*---------*---------*---------*---------*---------* On 2020/08/19 23:04, Jochen Kall wrote: Hi Oscar, -- *---------*---------*---------*---------*---------*---------* 株式会社ヴィッツ 機能安全開発部 機能安全推進室 杉浦 正直 〒460-0008 愛知県名古屋市中区栄2-13-1 名古屋パークプレイス 7F TEL(代表): 052-220-1218 TEL(直通): 052-223-7570 FAX: 052-218-5855 *---------*---------*---------*---------*---------*---------*
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ELISA WG tasks and interactions
Paoloni, Gabriele
Hi All
Following up to yesterday’s call I have uploaded the proposed draft for WG tasks and interactions here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1uBcwsrW6IK7pbW-hT2WbdhXpMcWrEQD6/view?usp=sharing
This is meant to be the first step for the definition of a technical strategy. Please review it and give feedbacks.
Many thanks Gab
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Re: ELISA Mentorship Project Proposals - Open for Comment from Now through September 1st
elana.copperman@...
Wenhui, the long term goals exactly match your expectations. But we can work in iterations. Short term, we can work with an undergrad or junior masters student to accomplish the first steps, as defined in the proposal. Let's see what kind of candidates we get. Thanks Elana
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On Behalf Of Wenhui via lists.elisa.tech
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2020 3:48 AM To: Min Yu <myu@...> Cc: devel@... Subject: Re: [ELISA Technical Community] ELISA Mentorship Project Proposals - Open for Comment from Now through September 1st
I think one and two , proposed by Elana, if implemented well and have sufficient evaluation s. Could be a top tier paper in Security & privacy Playland or OSDI/SOSP paper. These two are valid topics for a senior PHD to work on in 3 months
The third, fourth and fifth by Lukas fits senior undergrads or junior master students.
Sorry typing is hard for me , lying in hospital and only one arm could move now ;) On Wed, Aug 19, 2020, 4:48 PM Min Yu <myu@...> wrote:
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Re: ELISA Mentorship Project Proposals - Open for Comment from Now through September 1st
Wenhui
I think one and two , proposed by Elana, if implemented well and have sufficient evaluation s. Could be a top tier paper in Security & privacy Playland or OSDI/SOSP paper. These two are valid topics for a senior PHD to work on in 3 months The third, fourth and fifth by Lukas fits senior undergrads or junior master students. Sorry typing is hard for me , lying in hospital and only one arm could move now ;)
On Wed, Aug 19, 2020, 4:48 PM Min Yu <myu@...> wrote:
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ELISA Mentorship Project Proposals - Open for Comment from Now through September 1st
Min Yu
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REMINDER: Contribute to ELISA by Becoming an Ambassador
Min Yu
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Re: ISO26262 Development Process visualization
Jochen Kall
Hi Oscar,
good catch, I’ll look into that, clearly missing at the moment.
Jochen Von: devel@... <devel@...>
Im Auftrag von Oscar Slotosch
Hi Jochen Did I missed something or is it intended that you skipped the test of software (6-9,6-10 and 6-11) in your diagrams and is your list of documents complete?
As an introduction to ISO 26262 for beginners I can also reccommend the recent Episode in our podcast about ISO 26262, This is less vizualization but "audio-ization" 😉
kind regards, Oscar
Von:
devel@... <devel@...> im Auftrag von Lukas Bulwahn <lukas.bulwahn@...>
On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 9:05 AM Jochen Kall
<jochen.kall@...> wrote: > > Hi Everyone, > > Our collegues at WITZ created a visualization of the development process according to ISO26262 to help us and especially those without an automotive safety background and access to the standard, to better understand the way the development process outlined in the safety integrity standard various phases and flow of workproducts, and also to see where the various ELISA activities are anchored in the framework of ISO26262. > > The document is split into a .drawio diagram to visualize activities, workproducts and the connections/workproduct flow theirein, and a spreadsheet giving a description of the phases and their individual objectives. > > The diagram can be viewed directly online in the browser using the online viewer of .drawio (https://app.diagrams.net/) or locally using the standalone application. > > The Material is uploaded to the google drive and can be accessed through the following Link > https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1XvwCdowRkK9qnS3j8JocH30BVsKHTcOK?usp=sharing > > Let me know what you think, any comments, suggestions for improvement etc are welcome of course! > Thanks for sharing. I hope this is helpful for learners of the ISO 26262 standard. Lukas -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen
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Re: ISO26262 Development Process visualization
Paoloni, Gabriele
+1Let me know what you think, any comments, suggestions for improvementetc are welcome of course! Many thanks for this visual high level overview! Gab --------------------------------------------------------------------- INTEL CORPORATION ITALIA S.p.A. con unico socio Sede: Milanofiori Palazzo E 4 CAP 20094 Assago (MI) Capitale Sociale Euro 104.000,00 interamente versato Partita I.V.A. e Codice Fiscale 04236760155 Repertorio Economico Amministrativo n. 997124 Registro delle Imprese di Milano nr. 183983/5281/33 Soggetta ad attivita' di direzione e coordinamento di INTEL CORPORATION, USA This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any review or distribution by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and delete all copies.
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Re: ISO26262 Development Process visualization
Oscar Slotosch
Hi Jochen
Did I missed something or is it intended that you skipped the test of software (6-9,6-10 and 6-11) in your diagrams and
is your list of documents complete?
As an introduction to ISO 26262 for beginners I can also reccommend the recent Episode in our podcast about ISO 26262,
This is less vizualization but "audio-ization" 😉
kind regards, Oscar
Von: devel@... <devel@...> im Auftrag von Lukas Bulwahn <lukas.bulwahn@...> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 19. August 2020 10:44 An: Jochen Kall <jochen.kall@...> Cc: devel@... <devel@...> Betreff: Re: [ELISA Technical Community] ISO26262 Development Process visualization
On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 9:05 AM Jochen Kall
<jochen.kall@...> wrote: > > Hi Everyone, > > Our collegues at WITZ created a visualization of the development process according to ISO26262 to help us and especially those without an automotive safety background and access to the standard, to better understand the way the development process outlined in the safety integrity standard various phases and flow of workproducts, and also to see where the various ELISA activities are anchored in the framework of ISO26262. > > The document is split into a .drawio diagram to visualize activities, workproducts and the connections/workproduct flow theirein, and a spreadsheet giving a description of the phases and their individual objectives. > > The diagram can be viewed directly online in the browser using the online viewer of .drawio (https://app.diagrams.net/) or locally using the standalone application. > > The Material is uploaded to the google drive and can be accessed through the following Link > https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1XvwCdowRkK9qnS3j8JocH30BVsKHTcOK?usp=sharing > > Let me know what you think, any comments, suggestions for improvement etc are welcome of course! > Thanks for sharing. I hope this is helpful for learners of the ISO 26262 standard. Lukas
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