Slides: Webinar #1: Validas' Approach to qualification kits for tools, libraries and SEOOCS
Hello,
if someone wants to get the slides shown yesterday, please drop me an email.
(Due to some copyright issues in my slides I am not allowed to send them to this public list).
Kind regards,
Oscar
--
Validas AG
Dr. Oscar Slotosch
Vorstand
fon: +49 (0) 89 / 53 88 669-11
fax: +49 (0) 89 / 53 88 669-10
--
Validas AG
Firmensitz: Arnulfstr. 27, D-80335 München
Registergericht: Amtsgericht München HRB 131653
Vorstand: Dr. Oscar Slotosch, Dr. Peter Braun
Aufsichtsratsvorsitzender: Prof. Dr. Dr. h.c. Manfred Broy
Von: Oscar Slotosch [mailto:slotosch@...]
Gesendet: Montag, 6. Mai 2019 20:19
An: Bulwahn Lukas, JC-22 <Lukas.Bulwahn@...>;
mutilin@...
Betreff: AW: [devel] ELISA Webinar #1: Validas' Approach to qualification kits for tools, libraries and SEOOCS compliant to ISO 26262 and IEC 61508
Hallo Lukas,
here are my slides that I presented today.
Feel free to distribute them in the ELISA group (except to the hole internet)
Kind regards,
Oscar
Von:
Lukas.Bulwahn@... [mailto:Lukas.Bulwahn@...]
Gesendet: Montag, 6. Mai 2019 19:50
An: Oscar Slotosch; mutilin@...
Betreff: Re: [devel] ELISA Webinar #1: Validas' Approach to qualification kits for tools, libraries and SEOOCS compliant to ISO 26262 and IEC 61508
Dear Oscar,
Would it be okay for you to share your presentation with Vadim Mutilin from ISPRAS?
@Vadim: Please confirm that you understand the Chatham House Rule and that you will not distribute the presentation further to anyone else. It is okay to tell others about the presentation and tell them to ask if they may also receive a copy but this should ALWAYS be approved by the presenter first. The presentation is solely for your own personal use.
Best regards,
Lukas
Von: Vadim Mutilin [mailto:mutilin@...]
Gesendet: Montag, 6. Mai 2019 15:10
An: Bulwahn Lukas, JC-22 <Lukas.Bulwahn@...>
Betreff: Re: [devel] ELISA Webinar #1: Validas' Approach to qualification kits for tools, libraries and SEOOCS compliant to ISO 26262 and IEC 61508
Hi Lukas!
I'm having troubles with installing Skype Meetings App under Linux and can not join the meeting. Hope to get a recording.
Best,
Vadim
Update: Now with Link to Skype Meeting, see below.
Validas' Approach to qualification kits for tools, libraries and SEOOCS compliant to ISO 26262 and IEC 61508
Referee: Dr. Oscar Slotosch, Validas
Agenda:Recent thoughts and methods how to build a QKit for Linux.
We see three different classes of elements in ISO 26262 and IEC 61508 as part of the “safety architecture”:
· Tools
· Unchanged/pre-existing software components
· Software (SEOOCs)
And we think that Linux requires qualification for elements within all those classes.
So therefore we propose as potential activities for Elisa:
· Description of a process for qualification of Linux and Linux applications
· Safety plan, showing the compliance of the process with ISO 26262 and IEC 61508 (including of checks to be performed)
· qualification of
· linux tools for
· compilation, e.g. gcc
· code coverage measurement, e.g. gcov
· test automatization, e.g. gtest, gdb
· Linux libraries , libc, libm, C++stdlibs (as far as needed)
· Linux components, e.g. kernel, modules
· Provide a qualified tool chain to safely develop applications
The following things we have already achieved and can present you:
· (certified) qualification processes for Tools & Libraries (SEOOCs still open)
· QKit for gcc
· QKit concept for gcov
· QKit for 200 runtime functions of libm, libc
· QKit for QKits (adaptable for linux)
There is much to do, but we do already have parts, plans & visions that we like to share with you.
.........................................................................................................................................
Trouble Joining? Try Skype Web App
Join by phone
Toll number: +4969710414722,,87977174# (Dial-in Number) German (Germany)
Conference ID: 87977174
[!OC([1033])!]
.........................................................................................................................................
Oscar,
Please send me that slide if possible.
Thanks
Tiejun
Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2019 3:46 PM
To: devel@...
Subject: [devel] Slides: Webinar #1: Validas' Approach to qualification kits for tools, libraries and SEOOCS
Hello,
if someone wants to get the slides shown yesterday, please drop me an email.
(Due to some copyright issues in my slides I am not allowed to send them to this public list).
Kind regards,
Oscar
--
Validas AG
Dr. Oscar Slotosch
Vorstand
fon: +49 (0) 89 / 53 88 669-11
fax: +49 (0) 89 / 53 88 669-10
--
Validas AG
Firmensitz: Arnulfstr. 27, D-80335 München
Registergericht: Amtsgericht München HRB 131653
Vorstand: Dr. Oscar Slotosch, Dr. Peter Braun
Aufsichtsratsvorsitzender: Prof. Dr. Dr. h.c. Manfred Broy
Von: Oscar Slotosch [mailto:slotosch@...]
Gesendet: Montag, 6. Mai 2019 20:19
An: Bulwahn Lukas, JC-22 <Lukas.Bulwahn@...>;
mutilin@...
Betreff: AW: [devel] ELISA Webinar #1: Validas' Approach to qualification kits for tools, libraries and SEOOCS compliant to ISO 26262 and IEC 61508
Hallo Lukas,
here are my slides that I presented today.
Feel free to distribute them in the ELISA group (except to the hole internet)
Kind regards,
Oscar
Von:
Lukas.Bulwahn@... [mailto:Lukas.Bulwahn@...]
Gesendet: Montag, 6. Mai 2019 19:50
An: Oscar Slotosch; mutilin@...
Betreff: Re: [devel] ELISA Webinar #1: Validas' Approach to qualification kits for tools, libraries and SEOOCS compliant to ISO 26262 and IEC 61508
Dear Oscar,
Would it be okay for you to share your presentation with Vadim Mutilin from ISPRAS?
@Vadim: Please confirm that you understand the Chatham House Rule and that you will not distribute the presentation further to anyone else. It is okay to tell others about the presentation and tell them to ask if they may also receive a copy but this should ALWAYS be approved by the presenter first. The presentation is solely for your own personal use.
Best regards,
Lukas
Von: Vadim Mutilin [mailto:mutilin@...]
Gesendet: Montag, 6. Mai 2019 15:10
An: Bulwahn Lukas, JC-22 <Lukas.Bulwahn@...>
Betreff: Re: [devel] ELISA Webinar #1: Validas' Approach to qualification kits for tools, libraries and SEOOCS compliant to ISO 26262 and IEC 61508
Hi Lukas!
I'm having troubles with installing Skype Meetings App under Linux and can not join the meeting. Hope to get a recording.
Best,
Vadim
On 06.05.2019 11:54, Lukas Bulwahn wrote:
Update: Now with Link to Skype Meeting, see below.
Validas' Approach to qualification kits for tools, libraries and SEOOCS compliant to ISO 26262 and IEC 61508
Referee: Dr. Oscar Slotosch, Validas
Agenda:Recent thoughts and methods how to build a QKit for Linux.
We see three different classes of elements in ISO 26262 and IEC 61508 as part of the “safety architecture”:
· Tools
· Unchanged/pre-existing software components
· Software (SEOOCs)
And we think that Linux requires qualification for elements within all those classes.
So therefore we propose as potential activities for Elisa:
· Description of a process for qualification of Linux and Linux applications
· Safety plan, showing the compliance of the process with ISO 26262 and IEC 61508 (including of checks to be performed)
· qualification of
· linux tools for
· compilation, e.g. gcc
· code coverage measurement, e.g. gcov
· test automatization, e.g. gtest, gdb
· Linux libraries , libc, libm, C++stdlibs (as far as needed)
· Linux components, e.g. kernel, modules
· Provide a qualified tool chain to safely develop applications
The following things we have already achieved and can present you:
· (certified) qualification processes for Tools & Libraries (SEOOCs still open)
· QKit for gcc
· QKit concept for gcov
· QKit for 200 runtime functions of libm, libc
· QKit for QKits (adaptable for linux)
There is much to do, but we do already have parts, plans & visions that we like to share with you.
.........................................................................................................................................
Trouble Joining? Try Skype Web App
Join by phone
Toll number: +4969710414722,,87977174# (Dial-in Number) German (Germany)
Conference ID: 87977174
[!OC([1033])!]
.........................................................................................................................................
Hi Oscar,
Can you please send me the slide if possible
Prabhakar Kushwaha prabhakar.kushwaha@...
Regards,
Prabhakar
Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2019 1:18 PM
To: devel@...
Subject: Re: [devel] Slides: Webinar #1: Validas' Approach to qualification kits for tools, libraries and SEOOCS
Oscar,
Please send me that slide if possible.
Thanks
Tiejun
Hello,
if someone wants to get the slides shown yesterday, please drop me an email.
(Due to some copyright issues in my slides I am not allowed to send them to this public list).
Kind regards,
Oscar
--
Validas AG
Dr. Oscar Slotosch
Vorstand
fon: +49 (0) 89 / 53 88 669-11
fax: +49 (0) 89 / 53 88 669-10
--
Validas AG
Firmensitz: Arnulfstr. 27, D-80335 München
Registergericht: Amtsgericht München HRB 131653
Vorstand: Dr. Oscar Slotosch, Dr. Peter Braun
Aufsichtsratsvorsitzender: Prof. Dr. Dr. h.c. Manfred Broy
Von: Oscar Slotosch [mailto:slotosch@...]
Gesendet: Montag, 6. Mai 2019 20:19
An: Bulwahn Lukas, JC-22 <Lukas.Bulwahn@...>;
mutilin@...
Betreff: AW: [devel] ELISA Webinar #1: Validas' Approach to qualification kits for tools, libraries and SEOOCS compliant to ISO 26262 and IEC 61508
Hallo Lukas,
here are my slides that I presented today.
Feel free to distribute them in the ELISA group (except to the hole internet)
Kind regards,
Oscar
Von:
Lukas.Bulwahn@... [mailto:Lukas.Bulwahn@...]
Gesendet: Montag, 6. Mai 2019 19:50
An: Oscar Slotosch; mutilin@...
Betreff: Re: [devel] ELISA Webinar #1: Validas' Approach to qualification kits for tools, libraries and SEOOCS compliant to ISO 26262 and IEC 61508
Dear Oscar,
Would it be okay for you to share your presentation with Vadim Mutilin from ISPRAS?
@Vadim: Please confirm that you understand the Chatham House Rule and that you will not distribute the presentation further to anyone else. It is okay to tell others about the presentation and tell them to ask if they may also receive a copy but this should ALWAYS be approved by the presenter first. The presentation is solely for your own personal use.
Best regards,
Lukas
Von: Vadim Mutilin [mailto:mutilin@...]
Gesendet: Montag, 6. Mai 2019 15:10
An: Bulwahn Lukas, JC-22 <Lukas.Bulwahn@...>
Betreff: Re: [devel] ELISA Webinar #1: Validas' Approach to qualification kits for tools, libraries and SEOOCS compliant to ISO 26262 and IEC 61508
Hi Lukas!
I'm having troubles with installing Skype Meetings App under Linux and can not join the meeting. Hope to get a recording.
Best,
Vadim
On 06.05.2019 11:54, Lukas Bulwahn wrote:
Update: Now with Link to Skype Meeting, see below.
Validas' Approach to qualification kits for tools, libraries and SEOOCS compliant to ISO 26262 and IEC 61508
Referee: Dr. Oscar Slotosch, Validas
Agenda:Recent thoughts and methods how to build a QKit for Linux.
We see three different classes of elements in ISO 26262 and IEC 61508 as part of the “safety architecture”:
· Tools
· Unchanged/pre-existing software components
· Software (SEOOCs)
And we think that Linux requires qualification for elements within all those classes.
So therefore we propose as potential activities for Elisa:
· Description of a process for qualification of Linux and Linux applications
· Safety plan, showing the compliance of the process with ISO 26262 and IEC 61508 (including of checks to be performed)
· qualification of
· linux tools for
· compilation, e.g. gcc
· code coverage measurement, e.g. gcov
· test automatization, e.g. gtest, gdb
· Linux libraries , libc, libm, C++stdlibs (as far as needed)
· Linux components, e.g. kernel, modules
· Provide a qualified tool chain to safely develop applications
The following things we have already achieved and can present you:
· (certified) qualification processes for Tools & Libraries (SEOOCs still open)
· QKit for gcc
· QKit concept for gcov
· QKit for 200 runtime functions of libm, libc
· QKit for QKits (adaptable for linux)
There is much to do, but we do already have parts, plans & visions that we like to share with you.
.........................................................................................................................................
Trouble Joining? Try Skype Web App
Join by phone
Toll number: +4969710414722,,87977174# (Dial-in Number) German (Germany)
Conference ID: 87977174
[!OC([1033])!]
.........................................................................................................................................
Hello Tiejun,
I see only delev@... as sender of the mail, so cannot send you the slides.
What is your email?
Kind regards,
Oscar Slotosch
--
Validas AG
Dr. Oscar Slotosch
Vorstand
fon: +49 (0) 89 / 53 88 669-11
fax: +49 (0) 89 / 53 88 669-10
--
Validas AG
Firmensitz: Arnulfstr. 27, D-80335 München
Registergericht: Amtsgericht München HRB 131653
Vorstand: Dr. Oscar Slotosch, Dr. Peter Braun
Aufsichtsratsvorsitzender: Prof. Dr. Dr. h.c. Manfred Broy
Von: devel@... [mailto:devel@...]
Im Auftrag von Tiejun Chen via Lists.Elisa.Tech
Gesendet: Dienstag, 7. Mai 2019 09:48
An: devel@...
Betreff: Re: [devel] Slides: Webinar #1: Validas' Approach to qualification kits for tools, libraries and SEOOCS
Oscar,
Please send me that slide if possible.
Thanks
Tiejun
Hello,
if someone wants to get the slides shown yesterday, please drop me an email.
(Due to some copyright issues in my slides I am not allowed to send them to this public list).
Kind regards,
Oscar
--
Validas AG
Dr. Oscar Slotosch
Vorstand
fon: +49 (0) 89 / 53 88 669-11
fax: +49 (0) 89 / 53 88 669-10
--
Validas AG
Firmensitz: Arnulfstr. 27, D-80335 München
Registergericht: Amtsgericht München HRB 131653
Vorstand: Dr. Oscar Slotosch, Dr. Peter Braun
Aufsichtsratsvorsitzender: Prof. Dr. Dr. h.c. Manfred Broy
Von: Oscar Slotosch [mailto:slotosch@...]
Gesendet: Montag, 6. Mai 2019 20:19
An: Bulwahn Lukas, JC-22 <Lukas.Bulwahn@...>;
mutilin@...
Betreff: AW: [devel] ELISA Webinar #1: Validas' Approach to qualification kits for tools, libraries and SEOOCS compliant to ISO 26262 and IEC 61508
Hallo Lukas,
here are my slides that I presented today.
Feel free to distribute them in the ELISA group (except to the hole internet)
Kind regards,
Oscar
Von:
Lukas.Bulwahn@... [mailto:Lukas.Bulwahn@...]
Gesendet: Montag, 6. Mai 2019 19:50
An: Oscar Slotosch; mutilin@...
Betreff: Re: [devel] ELISA Webinar #1: Validas' Approach to qualification kits for tools, libraries and SEOOCS compliant to ISO 26262 and IEC 61508
Dear Oscar,
Would it be okay for you to share your presentation with Vadim Mutilin from ISPRAS?
@Vadim: Please confirm that you understand the Chatham House Rule and that you will not distribute the presentation further to anyone else. It is okay to tell others about the presentation and tell them to ask if they may also receive a copy but this should ALWAYS be approved by the presenter first. The presentation is solely for your own personal use.
Best regards,
Lukas
Von: Vadim Mutilin [mailto:mutilin@...]
Gesendet: Montag, 6. Mai 2019 15:10
An: Bulwahn Lukas, JC-22 <Lukas.Bulwahn@...>
Betreff: Re: [devel] ELISA Webinar #1: Validas' Approach to qualification kits for tools, libraries and SEOOCS compliant to ISO 26262 and IEC 61508
Hi Lukas!
I'm having troubles with installing Skype Meetings App under Linux and can not join the meeting. Hope to get a recording.
Best,
Vadim
Update: Now with Link to Skype Meeting, see below.
Validas' Approach to qualification kits for tools, libraries and SEOOCS compliant to ISO 26262 and IEC 61508
Referee: Dr. Oscar Slotosch, Validas
Agenda:Recent thoughts and methods how to build a QKit for Linux.
We see three different classes of elements in ISO 26262 and IEC 61508 as part of the “safety architecture”:
· Tools
· Unchanged/pre-existing software components
· Software (SEOOCs)
And we think that Linux requires qualification for elements within all those classes.
So therefore we propose as potential activities for Elisa:
· Description of a process for qualification of Linux and Linux applications
· Safety plan, showing the compliance of the process with ISO 26262 and IEC 61508 (including of checks to be performed)
· qualification of
· linux tools for
· compilation, e.g. gcc
· code coverage measurement, e.g. gcov
· test automatization, e.g. gtest, gdb
· Linux libraries , libc, libm, C++stdlibs (as far as needed)
· Linux components, e.g. kernel, modules
· Provide a qualified tool chain to safely develop applications
The following things we have already achieved and can present you:
· (certified) qualification processes for Tools & Libraries (SEOOCs still open)
· QKit for gcc
· QKit concept for gcov
· QKit for 200 runtime functions of libm, libc
· QKit for QKits (adaptable for linux)
There is much to do, but we do already have parts, plans & visions that we like to share with you.
.........................................................................................................................................
Trouble Joining? Try Skype Web App
Join by phone
Toll number: +4969710414722,,87977174# (Dial-in Number) German (Germany)
Conference ID: 87977174
[!OC([1033])!]
.........................................................................................................................................
Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2019 4:05 PM
To: devel@...
Subject: Re: [devel] Slides: Webinar #1: Validas' Approach to qualification kits for tools, libraries and SEOOCS
Hello Tiejun,
I see only delev@... as sender of the mail, so cannot send you the slides.
What is your email?
Kind regards,
Oscar Slotosch
--
Validas AG
Dr. Oscar Slotosch
Vorstand
fon: +49 (0) 89 / 53 88 669-11
fax: +49 (0) 89 / 53 88 669-10
--
Validas AG
Firmensitz: Arnulfstr. 27, D-80335 München
Registergericht: Amtsgericht München HRB 131653
Vorstand: Dr. Oscar Slotosch, Dr. Peter Braun
Aufsichtsratsvorsitzender: Prof. Dr. Dr. h.c. Manfred Broy
Von:
devel@... [mailto:devel@...]
Im Auftrag von Tiejun Chen via Lists.Elisa.Tech
Gesendet: Dienstag, 7. Mai 2019 09:48
An: devel@...
Betreff: Re: [devel] Slides: Webinar #1: Validas' Approach to qualification kits for tools, libraries and SEOOCS
Oscar,
Please send me that slide if possible.
Thanks
Tiejun
Hello,
if someone wants to get the slides shown yesterday, please drop me an email.
(Due to some copyright issues in my slides I am not allowed to send them to this public list).
Kind regards,
Oscar
--
Validas AG
Dr. Oscar Slotosch
Vorstand
fon: +49 (0) 89 / 53 88 669-11
fax: +49 (0) 89 / 53 88 669-10
--
Validas AG
Firmensitz: Arnulfstr. 27, D-80335 München
Registergericht: Amtsgericht München HRB 131653
Vorstand: Dr. Oscar Slotosch, Dr. Peter Braun
Aufsichtsratsvorsitzender: Prof. Dr. Dr. h.c. Manfred Broy
Von: Oscar Slotosch [mailto:slotosch@...]
Gesendet: Montag, 6. Mai 2019 20:19
An: Bulwahn Lukas, JC-22 <Lukas.Bulwahn@...>;
mutilin@...
Betreff: AW: [devel] ELISA Webinar #1: Validas' Approach to qualification kits for tools, libraries and SEOOCS compliant to ISO 26262 and IEC 61508
Hallo Lukas,
here are my slides that I presented today.
Feel free to distribute them in the ELISA group (except to the hole internet)
Kind regards,
Oscar
Von:
Lukas.Bulwahn@... [mailto:Lukas.Bulwahn@...]
Gesendet: Montag, 6. Mai 2019 19:50
An: Oscar Slotosch; mutilin@...
Betreff: Re: [devel] ELISA Webinar #1: Validas' Approach to qualification kits for tools, libraries and SEOOCS compliant to ISO 26262 and IEC 61508
Dear Oscar,
Would it be okay for you to share your presentation with Vadim Mutilin from ISPRAS?
@Vadim: Please confirm that you understand the Chatham House Rule and that you will not distribute the presentation further to anyone else. It is okay to tell others about the presentation and tell them to ask if they may also receive a copy but this should ALWAYS be approved by the presenter first. The presentation is solely for your own personal use.
Best regards,
Lukas
Von: Vadim Mutilin [mailto:mutilin@...]
Gesendet: Montag, 6. Mai 2019 15:10
An: Bulwahn Lukas, JC-22 <Lukas.Bulwahn@...>
Betreff: Re: [devel] ELISA Webinar #1: Validas' Approach to qualification kits for tools, libraries and SEOOCS compliant to ISO 26262 and IEC 61508
Hi Lukas!
I'm having troubles with installing Skype Meetings App under Linux and can not join the meeting. Hope to get a recording.
Best,
Vadim
On 06.05.2019 11:54, Lukas Bulwahn wrote:
Update: Now with Link to Skype Meeting, see below.
Validas' Approach to qualification kits for tools, libraries and SEOOCS compliant to ISO 26262 and IEC 61508
Referee: Dr. Oscar Slotosch, Validas
Agenda:Recent thoughts and methods how to build a QKit for Linux.
We see three different classes of elements in ISO 26262 and IEC 61508 as part of the “safety architecture”:
· Tools
· Unchanged/pre-existing software components
· Software (SEOOCs)
And we think that Linux requires qualification for elements within all those classes.
So therefore we propose as potential activities for Elisa:
· Description of a process for qualification of Linux and Linux applications
· Safety plan, showing the compliance of the process with ISO 26262 and IEC 61508 (including of checks to be performed)
· qualification of
· linux tools for
· compilation, e.g. gcc
· code coverage measurement, e.g. gcov
· test automatization, e.g. gtest, gdb
· Linux libraries , libc, libm, C++stdlibs (as far as needed)
· Linux components, e.g. kernel, modules
· Provide a qualified tool chain to safely develop applications
The following things we have already achieved and can present you:
· (certified) qualification processes for Tools & Libraries (SEOOCs still open)
· QKit for gcc
· QKit concept for gcov
· QKit for 200 runtime functions of libm, libc
· QKit for QKits (adaptable for linux)
There is much to do, but we do already have parts, plans & visions that we like to share with you.
.........................................................................................................................................
Trouble Joining? Try Skype Web App
Join by phone
Toll number: +4969710414722,,87977174# (Dial-in Number) German (Germany)
Conference ID: 87977174
[!OC([1033])!]
.........................................................................................................................................
Dear Oscar,
Thanks again for your interesting presentation yesterday.
If it is okay for you, I would like to share my notes of the presentation with this mailing list.
You stated a few interesting considerations and interpretations of the ISO 26262 that I have not considered in the past, and I think it does deserve a discussion, especially the role of Part 8 Clause 12 vs. Part 6 in the ISO 26262.
Your presentation also suggested that you consider two aspects as significant contributions to an appropriate safety plan:
1. Mindful selection of features for what is actually needed
2. Verification and Validation Test Set, that being static and dynamic analysis executed in a dedicated activity after the development. A successful execution of such a test set with a dedicated assessment would increase the confidence in the software to a sufficient level.
An aspect that you did not mention was any consideration of the development organization itself.
Did I understand that correctly?
I hope I can share a more detailed description of my understanding of the presentation until end of this week, possibly next week.
Best regards,
Lukas
Hello,
if someone wants to get the slides shown yesterday, please drop me an email.
(Due to some copyright issues in my slides I am not allowed to send them to this public list).
Kind regards,
Oscar
--
Validas AG
Dr. Oscar Slotosch
Vorstand
fon: +49 (0) 89 / 53 88 669-11
fax: +49 (0) 89 / 53 88 669-10
--
Validas AG
Firmensitz: Arnulfstr. 27, D-80335 München
Registergericht: Amtsgericht München HRB 131653
Vorstand: Dr. Oscar Slotosch, Dr. Peter Braun
Aufsichtsratsvorsitzender: Prof. Dr. Dr. h.c. Manfred Broy
Von: Oscar Slotosch [mailto:slotosch@...]
Gesendet: Montag, 6. Mai 2019 20:19
An: Bulwahn Lukas, JC-22 <Lukas.Bulwahn@...>; mutilin@...
Betreff: AW: [devel] ELISA Webinar #1: Validas' Approach to qualification kits for tools, libraries and SEOOCS compliant to ISO 26262 and IEC 61508
Hallo Lukas,
here are my slides that I presented today.
Feel free to distribute them in the ELISA group (except to the hole internet)
Kind regards,
Oscar
Von: Lukas.Bulwahn@... [mailto:Lukas.Bulwahn@...]
Gesendet: Montag, 6. Mai 2019 19:50
An: Oscar Slotosch; mutilin@...
Betreff: Re: [devel] ELISA Webinar #1: Validas' Approach to qualification kits for tools, libraries and SEOOCS compliant to ISO 26262 and IEC 61508
Dear Oscar,
Would it be okay for you to share your presentation with Vadim Mutilin from ISPRAS?
@Vadim: Please confirm that you understand the Chatham House Rule and that you will not distribute the presentation further to anyone else. It is okay to tell others about the presentation and tell them to ask if they may also receive a copy but this should ALWAYS be approved by the presenter first. The presentation is solely for your own personal use.
Best regards,
Lukas
Von: Vadim Mutilin [mailto:mutilin@...]
Gesendet: Montag, 6. Mai 2019 15:10
An: Bulwahn Lukas, JC-22 <Lukas.Bulwahn@...>
Betreff: Re: [devel] ELISA Webinar #1: Validas' Approach to qualification kits for tools, libraries and SEOOCS compliant to ISO 26262 and IEC 61508
Hi Lukas!
I'm having troubles with installing Skype Meetings App under Linux and can not join the meeting. Hope to get a recording.
Best,
Vadim
On 06.05.2019 11:54, Lukas Bulwahn wrote:
Update: Now with Link to Skype Meeting, see below.
Validas' Approach to qualification kits for tools, libraries and SEOOCS compliant to ISO 26262 and IEC 61508
Referee: Dr. Oscar Slotosch, Validas
Agenda:Recent thoughts and methods how to build a QKit for Linux.
We see three different classes of elements in ISO 26262 and IEC 61508 as part of the “safety architecture”:
· Tools
· Unchanged/pre-existing software components
· Software (SEOOCs)
And we think that Linux requires qualification for elements within all those classes.
So therefore we propose as potential activities for Elisa:
· Description of a process for qualification of Linux and Linux applications
· Safety plan, showing the compliance of the process with ISO 26262 and IEC 61508 (including of checks to be performed)
· qualification of
· linux tools for
· compilation, e.g. gcc
· code coverage measurement, e.g. gcov
· test automatization, e.g. gtest, gdb
· Linux libraries , libc, libm, C++stdlibs (as far as needed)
· Linux components, e.g. kernel, modules
· Provide a qualified tool chain to safely develop applications
The following things we have already achieved and can present you:
· (certified) qualification processes for Tools & Libraries (SEOOCs still open)
· QKit for gcc
· QKit concept for gcov
· QKit for 200 runtime functions of libm, libc
· QKit for QKits (adaptable for linux)
There is much to do, but we do already have parts, plans & visions that we like to share with you.
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Hello Lucas,
Thank you for the summary and the positive feedback and your questions.
I think I did not explain SEOOC (Safety Element out of Context).
This is something “re-usable”, like a module.
The great advantage is that the provider of the SEOOC can (freely) select the requirements he wants to comply with.
But there is no free meal. All requirements not covered by the SEOOC have to be satisfied from the user of the SEOOC.
So defining a safety case for a SEOOC we have to (and can) select requirements from ISO to the development process
we want to comply. Within the safety case we then have to provide the evidences that we have satisfied the requirements them.
So the safety plan & case mainly refer to the development process not to the product features. Those are part of the element
And will be specified as described in the process.
The mentioned requirements on the development organizations first apply to the organizations that build items.
Of course these can/have to be taken over to suppliers (i.e. us developing safe linux).
So you are right that we could include them (in addition to Part 6, 8-11, 8-12,IEC x.y,..) to our definition of the SEOOC.
Validas AG has been certified from TÜV to develop ISO & IEC compliant QKits.
The certification included also some checklist for the general functional safety management like:
· Where is your Functional Safety Manager?
· How do you ensure that the right skilled persons are working on the project?
· What about the safety culture?
· …
Within the certification of Validas we modelled only our main requirements (8-11,..) and used the
TÜV Excel-Checklists for the other aspects.
So in case of Linux, I would argue that the safety relevant activities are performed from safety skilled persons
In safety compliant companies,…
Kind regards,
Oscar
PS
Due to a poor WLAN connection, the slide emails get delayed a bit.
Von: devel@... [mailto:devel@...]
Im Auftrag von Lukas Bulwahn
Gesendet: Dienstag, 7. Mai 2019 10:13
An: devel@...
Betreff: Re: [devel] Slides: Webinar #1: Validas' Approach to qualification kits for tools, libraries and SEOOCS
Dear Oscar,
Thanks again for your interesting presentation yesterday.
If it is okay for you, I would like to share my notes of the presentation with this mailing list.
You stated a few interesting considerations and interpretations of the ISO 26262 that I have not considered in the past, and I think it does deserve a discussion, especially the role of Part 8 Clause 12 vs. Part 6 in the ISO 26262.
Your presentation also suggested that you consider two aspects as significant contributions to an appropriate safety plan:
1. Mindful selection of features for what is actually needed
2. Verification and Validation Test Set, that being static and dynamic analysis executed in a dedicated activity after the development. A successful execution of such a test set with a dedicated assessment would increase the confidence in the software to a sufficient level.
An aspect that you did not mention was any consideration of the development organization itself.
Did I understand that correctly?
I hope I can share a more detailed description of my understanding of the presentation until end of this week, possibly next week.
Best regards,
Lukas
Would also like the presentation please.
Antonio Priore CEng | Director of Functional Safety Automotive and IoT Line of Business Address: Arm Ltd, 110 Fulbourn Road, Cambridge, CB1 9NJ Reception: +44 1223 400 400 Mobile: +44 7384 252 288 Email: antonio.priore@... |
From: <devel@...> on behalf of "Poonam via Lists.Elisa.Tech" <poonam.aggrwal=nxp.com@...>
Reply-To: "devel@..." <devel@...>
Date: Tuesday, 7 May 2019 at 09:24
To: "devel@..." <devel@...>
Subject: Re: [devel] Slides: Webinar #1: Validas' Approach to qualification kits for tools, libraries and SEOOCS
Thanks Oscar for very useful presentation. Can i request for the slides,
Regards
Poonam
On 07-May-2019, at 1:16 PM, Oscar Slotosch via Lists.Elisa.Tech <slotosch=validas.de@...> wrote:
Hello,
if someone wants to get the slides shown yesterday, please drop me an email.
(Due to some copyright issues in my slides I am not allowed to send them to this public list).
Kind regards,
Oscar
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Dr. Oscar Slotosch
Vorstand
fon: +49 (0) 89 / 53 88 669-11
fax: +49 (0) 89 / 53 88 669-10
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Firmensitz: Arnulfstr. 27, D-80335 München
Registergericht: Amtsgericht München HRB 131653
Vorstand: Dr. Oscar Slotosch, Dr. Peter Braun
Aufsichtsratsvorsitzender: Prof. Dr. Dr. h.c. Manfred Broy
Von: Oscar Slotosch [mailto:slotosch@...]
Gesendet: Montag, 6. Mai 2019 20:19
An: Bulwahn Lukas, JC-22 <Lukas.Bulwahn@...>; mutilin@...
Betreff: AW: [devel] ELISA Webinar #1: Validas' Approach to qualification kits for tools, libraries and SEOOCS compliant to ISO 26262 and IEC 61508
Hallo Lukas,
here are my slides that I presented today.
Feel free to distribute them in the ELISA group (except to the hole internet)
Kind regards,
Oscar
Von: Lukas.Bulwahn@... [mailto:Lukas.Bulwahn@...]
Gesendet: Montag, 6. Mai 2019 19:50
An: Oscar Slotosch; mutilin@...
Betreff: Re: [devel] ELISA Webinar #1: Validas' Approach to qualification kits for tools, libraries and SEOOCS compliant to ISO 26262 and IEC 61508
Dear Oscar,
Would it be okay for you to share your presentation with Vadim Mutilin from ISPRAS?
@Vadim: Please confirm that you understand the Chatham House Rule and that you will not distribute the presentation further to anyone else. It is okay to tell others about the presentation and tell them to ask if they may also receive a copy but this should ALWAYS be approved by the presenter first. The presentation is solely for your own personal use.
Best regards,
Lukas
Von: Vadim Mutilin [mailto:mutilin@...]
Gesendet: Montag, 6. Mai 2019 15:10
An: Bulwahn Lukas, JC-22 <Lukas.Bulwahn@...>
Betreff: Re: [devel] ELISA Webinar #1: Validas' Approach to qualification kits for tools, libraries and SEOOCS compliant to ISO 26262 and IEC 61508
Hi Lukas!
I'm having troubles with installing Skype Meetings App under Linux and can not join the meeting. Hope to get a recording.
Best,
Vadim
On 06.05.2019 11:54, Lukas Bulwahn wrote:
Update: Now with Link to Skype Meeting, see below.
Validas' Approach to qualification kits for tools, libraries and SEOOCS compliant to ISO 26262 and IEC 61508
Referee: Dr. Oscar Slotosch, Validas
Agenda:Recent thoughts and methods how to build a QKit for Linux.
We see three different classes of elements in ISO 26262 and IEC 61508 as part of the “safety architecture”:
· Tools
· Unchanged/pre-existing software components
· Software (SEOOCs)
And we think that Linux requires qualification for elements within all those classes.
So therefore we propose as potential activities for Elisa:
· Description of a process for qualification of Linux and Linux applications
· Safety plan, showing the compliance of the process with ISO 26262 and IEC 61508 (including of checks to be performed)
· qualification of
· linux tools for
· compilation, e.g. gcc
· code coverage measurement, e.g. gcov
· test automatization, e.g. gtest, gdb
· Linux libraries , libc, libm, C++stdlibs (as far as needed)
· Linux components, e.g. kernel, modules
· Provide a qualified tool chain to safely develop applications
The following things we have already achieved and can present you:
· (certified) qualification processes for Tools & Libraries (SEOOCs still open)
· QKit for gcc
· QKit concept for gcov
· QKit for 200 runtime functions of libm, libc
· QKit for QKits (adaptable for linux)
There is much to do, but we do already have parts, plans & visions that we like to share with you.
.........................................................................................................................................
Trouble Joining? Try Skype Web App
Join by phone
Toll number: +4969710414722,,87977174# (Dial-in Number) German (Germany)
Conference ID: 87977174
[!OC([1033])!]
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Oscar:
I’d like the presentation as well; had a conflict and missed the call yesterday. You already have my email, but it’s below as well.
Thanks, and best regards;
Rob
Robert Bates - Chief Safety Officer Automotive, Mentor a Siemens Business
robert_bates@... | Office: 510.354.5734 | Cell: 408.203.7523
Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2019 2:41 AM
To: devel@...
Subject: Re: [devel] Slides: Webinar #1: Validas' Approach to qualification kits for tools, libraries and SEOOCS
Would also like the presentation please.
Antonio Priore CEng | Director of Functional Safety Automotive and IoT Line of Business Address: Arm Ltd, 110 Fulbourn Road, Cambridge, CB1 9NJ Reception: +44 1223 400 400 Mobile: +44 7384 252 288 Email: antonio.priore@... |
From: <devel@...> on behalf of "Poonam via Lists.Elisa.Tech" <poonam.aggrwal=nxp.com@...>
Reply-To: "devel@..." <devel@...>
Date: Tuesday, 7 May 2019 at 09:24
To: "devel@..." <devel@...>
Subject: Re: [devel] Slides: Webinar #1: Validas' Approach to qualification kits for tools, libraries and SEOOCS
Thanks Oscar for very useful presentation. Can i request for the slides,
Regards
Poonam
On 07-May-2019, at 1:16 PM, Oscar Slotosch via Lists.Elisa.Tech <slotosch=validas.de@...> wrote:
Hello,
if someone wants to get the slides shown yesterday, please drop me an email.
(Due to some copyright issues in my slides I am not allowed to send them to this public list).
Kind regards,
Oscar
--
Validas AG
Dr. Oscar Slotosch
Vorstand
fon: +49 (0) 89 / 53 88 669-11
fax: +49 (0) 89 / 53 88 669-10
--
Validas AG
Firmensitz: Arnulfstr. 27, D-80335 München
Registergericht: Amtsgericht München HRB 131653
Vorstand: Dr. Oscar Slotosch, Dr. Peter Braun
Aufsichtsratsvorsitzender: Prof. Dr. Dr. h.c. Manfred Broy
Von: Oscar Slotosch [mailto:slotosch@...]
Gesendet: Montag, 6. Mai 2019 20:19
An: Bulwahn Lukas, JC-22 <Lukas.Bulwahn@...>; mutilin@...
Betreff: AW: [devel] ELISA Webinar #1: Validas' Approach to qualification kits for tools, libraries and SEOOCS compliant to ISO 26262 and IEC 61508
Hallo Lukas,
here are my slides that I presented today.
Feel free to distribute them in the ELISA group (except to the hole internet)
Kind regards,
Oscar
Von: Lukas.Bulwahn@... [mailto:Lukas.Bulwahn@...]
Gesendet: Montag, 6. Mai 2019 19:50
An: Oscar Slotosch; mutilin@...
Betreff: Re: [devel] ELISA Webinar #1: Validas' Approach to qualification kits for tools, libraries and SEOOCS compliant to ISO 26262 and IEC 61508
Dear Oscar,
Would it be okay for you to share your presentation with Vadim Mutilin from ISPRAS?
@Vadim: Please confirm that you understand the Chatham House Rule and that you will not distribute the presentation further to anyone else. It is okay to tell others about the presentation and tell them to ask if they may also receive a copy but this should ALWAYS be approved by the presenter first. The presentation is solely for your own personal use.
Best regards,
Lukas
Von: Vadim Mutilin [mailto:mutilin@...]
Gesendet: Montag, 6. Mai 2019 15:10
An: Bulwahn Lukas, JC-22 <Lukas.Bulwahn@...>
Betreff: Re: [devel] ELISA Webinar #1: Validas' Approach to qualification kits for tools, libraries and SEOOCS compliant to ISO 26262 and IEC 61508
Hi Lukas!
I'm having troubles with installing Skype Meetings App under Linux and can not join the meeting. Hope to get a recording.
Best,
Vadim
On 06.05.2019 11:54, Lukas Bulwahn wrote:
Update: Now with Link to Skype Meeting, see below.
Validas' Approach to qualification kits for tools, libraries and SEOOCS compliant to ISO 26262 and IEC 61508
Referee: Dr. Oscar Slotosch, Validas
Agenda:Recent thoughts and methods how to build a QKit for Linux.
We see three different classes of elements in ISO 26262 and IEC 61508 as part of the “safety architecture”:
· Tools
· Unchanged/pre-existing software components
· Software (SEOOCs)
And we think that Linux requires qualification for elements within all those classes.
So therefore we propose as potential activities for Elisa:
· Description of a process for qualification of Linux and Linux applications
· Safety plan, showing the compliance of the process with ISO 26262 and IEC 61508 (including of checks to be performed)
· qualification of
· linux tools for
· compilation, e.g. gcc
· code coverage measurement, e.g. gcov
· test automatization, e.g. gtest, gdb
· Linux libraries , libc, libm, C++stdlibs (as far as needed)
· Linux components, e.g. kernel, modules
· Provide a qualified tool chain to safely develop applications
The following things we have already achieved and can present you:
· (certified) qualification processes for Tools & Libraries (SEOOCs still open)
· QKit for gcc
· QKit concept for gcov
· QKit for 200 runtime functions of libm, libc
· QKit for QKits (adaptable for linux)
There is much to do, but we do already have parts, plans & visions that we like to share with you.
.........................................................................................................................................
Trouble Joining? Try Skype Web App
Join by phone
Toll number: +4969710414722,,87977174# (Dial-in Number) German (Germany)
Conference ID: 87977174
[!OC([1033])!]
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can you please send me the slides and a video of the presentation.
I understand the Chatham House Rule.
Quirin Gylstorff quirin.gylstorff@...
Regards,
Quirin Gylstorff